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		<title>By: Ohanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not be the most versed in the area of heating differences but I can tell you our experience.  We bought our farm 8 years ago and it had electric heat.  It was always cold.   We ended up using 2 kerosene heaters most of the winter just to keep warm.  You could wear all the sweaters ect. you wanted but your nose and toes were always cold.   One February our electric bill was 350.00 - and we were cold the whole time. We saved our money and 5 years ago had propane installed.  The propane company sold us the furnace and then did all the labor for free.  I even had them run pipes to the stove and water heater so when they needed replaced I had a choice of what type to get.  Our house is now very warm, and My heating bills are less than half of what the electric was.  I had a large propane tank installed and  have it filled about late June or early July when prices are low.  If you wait until Aug. or Sept. the price starts rising and during winter it is much higher.  Watch oil prices and the propane (a by-product) prices will soon follow suit.  K.
I was an engineer for an electric utility for 20 years and know that propane or oil are the way to go. Personally, we have oil and If you can install the tank in ground or offsite you will not have to deal with the smell when they fill the tank. Ours is in the basement and the oilmen just don&#039;t get it! they overfill every time!    &gt;Unless the price of oil is at or above $1.00 per gallon, BTU to BTU it is the most economical (given the same furnace efficiencies). Propane and Natural gas are both good and safe sources provided you know the rules. The best thing to do is to read up on the safety rules of propane. It&#039;s really quite simple and safe. If you will have a forced air system you will prefer the cleanliness of the propane as oil makes for much more cleaning. If you have the idea of going with a radiant heating system you may be more frugal to install an oil furnace. Just remember TANK PLACEMENT. Engineer
My feelings are that propane is comparable to heating with natural gas, and is FAR  (did you hear that...)FAR less expensive that electric.  Electric heat is THE most expensive way to heat a dwelling, unless you car producing the electricity, by say solar or wind generation. I live in rural New Mexico, and we have a 250 gallon propane tank, that cost me $190 to fill in fall, and I am on a top off schedule for February, which means they come in February no matter what and fill up whatever the tank can hold.  This last February isn&#039;t a fair call because the winter was so mild, but in years past, this fill is generally not higher that $80 or so.  That&#039;s for the whole year.  We do have a woodstove, and we do use it, but I wouldn&#039;t think we&#039;d spend more than another $100 in the year without it.  On the outside that would come to $370 - 400 in the event of a hard winter and no wood to burn.  That&#039;s FOR THE YEAR!!!  You can expect a monthly electric billing somewhere near half that per month if you&#039;re lucky heating with electric. A downside that is worth a mention, but has never been a problem for us so far  The electric company service is constant as long as they receive a check.  With propane you&#039;re relying on a delivery to your remote location, and trucks do break down, supply can be interrupted, or weather can prevent delivery (typically when its the coldest).  None of these things have ever happened to us out here in the 7 years we&#039;ve been here, but I am aware of this possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not be the most versed in the area of heating differences but I can tell you our experience.  We bought our farm 8 years ago and it had electric heat.  It was always cold.   We ended up using 2 kerosene heaters most of the winter just to keep warm.  You could wear all the sweaters ect. you wanted but your nose and toes were always cold.   One February our electric bill was 350.00 &#8211; and we were cold the whole time. We saved our money and 5 years ago had propane installed.  The propane company sold us the furnace and then did all the labor for free.  I even had them run pipes to the stove and water heater so when they needed replaced I had a choice of what type to get.  Our house is now very warm, and My heating bills are less than half of what the electric was.  I had a large propane tank installed and  have it filled about late June or early July when prices are low.  If you wait until Aug. or Sept. the price starts rising and during winter it is much higher.  Watch oil prices and the propane (a by-product) prices will soon follow suit.  K.<br />
I was an engineer for an electric utility for 20 years and know that propane or oil are the way to go. Personally, we have oil and If you can install the tank in ground or offsite you will not have to deal with the smell when they fill the tank. Ours is in the basement and the oilmen just don&#8217;t get it! they overfill every time!    >Unless the price of oil is at or above $1.00 per gallon, BTU to BTU it is the most economical (given the same furnace efficiencies). Propane and Natural gas are both good and safe sources provided you know the rules. The best thing to do is to read up on the safety rules of propane. It&#8217;s really quite simple and safe. If you will have a forced air system you will prefer the cleanliness of the propane as oil makes for much more cleaning. If you have the idea of going with a radiant heating system you may be more frugal to install an oil furnace. Just remember TANK PLACEMENT. Engineer<br />
My feelings are that propane is comparable to heating with natural gas, and is FAR  (did you hear that&#8230;)FAR less expensive that electric.  Electric heat is THE most expensive way to heat a dwelling, unless you car producing the electricity, by say solar or wind generation. I live in rural New Mexico, and we have a 250 gallon propane tank, that cost me $190 to fill in fall, and I am on a top off schedule for February, which means they come in February no matter what and fill up whatever the tank can hold.  This last February isn&#8217;t a fair call because the winter was so mild, but in years past, this fill is generally not higher that $80 or so.  That&#8217;s for the whole year.  We do have a woodstove, and we do use it, but I wouldn&#8217;t think we&#8217;d spend more than another $100 in the year without it.  On the outside that would come to $370 &#8211; 400 in the event of a hard winter and no wood to burn.  That&#8217;s FOR THE YEAR!!!  You can expect a monthly electric billing somewhere near half that per month if you&#8217;re lucky heating with electric. A downside that is worth a mention, but has never been a problem for us so far  The electric company service is constant as long as they receive a check.  With propane you&#8217;re relying on a delivery to your remote location, and trucks do break down, supply can be interrupted, or weather can prevent delivery (typically when its the coldest).  None of these things have ever happened to us out here in the 7 years we&#8217;ve been here, but I am aware of this possibility.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never understood the concept of radiant heat in the ceiling. Heat rises! It makes more sense to have electric radiant heat installed in the floor. 
Nothing against the enginner for the electric utility, but his asseration that electric heat is more expensive isn&#039;t absolute.  I suspect that his electric heat was delievered via baseboard heating fins. Which is an old and ineffective means for heat. Electric radiant heat installed in the floors is far superior and very cost effective esspecialy when installed on top of your cement slab since the slab &quot;holds&quot; the heat, the system doesn&#039;t need to be on 24/7. Typically a system is only on 5-6 hours a day.  
 I&#039;d encourage you to look into electric radiant heat.  A whole house system wouldn&#039;t cost more the $5 a month to operate and that&#039;s on the high side!  An average size bathroom uses about the same amount of electricity as 2 100 watt light bulbs.  Of course installation would require replacing your floors.  You&#039;d have to compare the costs, both the upfront price and long term maintence/operatioanl costs.  
Included are a bunch of sites about electric radiant heat.  Hope it helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the concept of radiant heat in the ceiling. Heat rises! It makes more sense to have electric radiant heat installed in the floor.<br />
Nothing against the enginner for the electric utility, but his asseration that electric heat is more expensive isn&#8217;t absolute.  I suspect that his electric heat was delievered via baseboard heating fins. Which is an old and ineffective means for heat. Electric radiant heat installed in the floors is far superior and very cost effective esspecialy when installed on top of your cement slab since the slab &#8220;holds&#8221; the heat, the system doesn&#8217;t need to be on 24/7. Typically a system is only on 5-6 hours a day.<br />
 I&#8217;d encourage you to look into electric radiant heat.  A whole house system wouldn&#8217;t cost more the $5 a month to operate and that&#8217;s on the high side!  An average size bathroom uses about the same amount of electricity as 2 100 watt light bulbs.  Of course installation would require replacing your floors.  You&#8217;d have to compare the costs, both the upfront price and long term maintence/operatioanl costs.<br />
Included are a bunch of sites about electric radiant heat.  Hope it helps.</p>
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		<title>By: German Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>German Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... Ohanna gave you the $10 answer already. Propane beats electric every time for heat production.
However it is also worth note that &quot;supplementing&quot; heat with a fireplace is not a good practice either. You will feel the fireplace heat radiating in the room the fireplace is in, but the fireplace use will also speed up the homes stack effect air loss and result in higher bills. WP&amp;L energy sent a note in their newsletter that regular fireplace use can make your heating bill go up 20%. I know it sounds counter intuitive but it is true, and you can ask any energy rater about it.
Your better off plugging the fireplace chimney flue with a chimney balloon and using propane heat to warm the interior air. That is the efficient solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; Ohanna gave you the $10 answer already. Propane beats electric every time for heat production.<br />
However it is also worth note that &#8220;supplementing&#8221; heat with a fireplace is not a good practice either. You will feel the fireplace heat radiating in the room the fireplace is in, but the fireplace use will also speed up the homes stack effect air loss and result in higher bills. WP&#038;L energy sent a note in their newsletter that regular fireplace use can make your heating bill go up 20%. I know it sounds counter intuitive but it is true, and you can ask any energy rater about it.<br />
Your better off plugging the fireplace chimney flue with a chimney balloon and using propane heat to warm the interior air. That is the efficient solution.</p>
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